AMD's Phenom FX Lineup revealed

ajax disse:
São mais de 30K CPUs, pouco menos de 10% daquilo que a AMD vende por trimestre nesta gama, mas mais importante é a "publicidade" e as outras máquinas que vem por arrasto.

Bem mais importante que estes supercomputadores são os servidores de Video para as futuras IPTVs. A solução mais interessante é a da Sun baseada em Opterons, para não variar.
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Achas que o facto de estar num SC é "publicidade" relevante para o mercado desktop ??
A maior parte dos consumidores nem sabe o que é um supercomputador, e está-se nas tintas para isso.
 
blastarr disse:
Achas que o facto de estar num SC é "publicidade" relevante para o mercado desktop ??
A maior parte dos consumidores nem sabe o que é um supercomputador, e está-se nas tintas para isso.
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Desktop? Já olhaste para os números do market share do último Q2 ? A AMD está a ir pelo ralo abaixo no mercado dos servidores. Se não se "mexer" pode perder o "bom nome" neste lucrativo mercado. Nos Desktops está com 27% de share embora à custa do low-end e de reduzidas margens. Basta melhorar o ASPs e fica com este mercado controlado para a dimensão que pretende, 1/3 do mercado. Nos servidores e móveis está a meio caminho com +- 16%.
 
Phenom X4 vs. Yorkfield tested in Crysis

Thanks to the built-in CPU/GPU branchmark system of Crysis, we can easily finish CPU/GPU branchmark on this game. The GPU branchmark will finish today,before that let's have some branchmark score of CPUs:QX6850,QX9650,Phenom X4. For more balance, Phenom X4 is already OC to 3GHz(15x200MHz) .Because the built-in Memory controller of Phenom have some auto setting funtion, so the memory frenquency is set to 375MHz automatically.
The mobos we are using: AMD's RD790 and Intel's P35. All the settings(including the game)are all default. Graphis card is 8800GTX, the driver is the newest 169.01. All the tests are running in XP. Do you still remember the date that the two new CPU become available?
Intel QX9650：Nov 12, 2007
AMD Phenom X4：Nov 20,2007
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O CPU-Z nunca foi bom com voltagens, mas se estiver certo desta vez, não sei até que ponto essa voltagem no Phenom é saudável.

Seja como for, os resultados não estão muito maus. Resta saber o preço, e quantos dos Phenom vão chegar aos 3.0GHz e em que condições, já que

isso não parece nada difícil aos arqui-rivais, refrigerados a ar e com voltagens mais modestas.
 
AMD Phenom 9000 is quad core, and 8000 is tri-core

IN THIS FOUR-PART series we will reveal details of this week's AMD launch, widely slated to be a lifeline for the struggling firm.

We'll disclose how quiet/noisy they will be, prices, positioning and basically all there is to know about the launch of AMD's Spider Platform, as AMD is calling it.

Thus, AMD is launching its beasts to quench the thirst of people. Spider consists of AMD Phenom - the X4/X3/X2 naming convention is dead and Phenom FX processors, 790X/790FX, which are Crossfire and CrossfireX chipsets, and of course, Radeon HD 3850 and 3870 graphic cards.

Looking at a whole computer, this is the first time that a manufacturer is launching a complete 65nm and sub-65nm component, since all key parts - the Phenom, 770/780/790X/790FX, RV670 - are all made at 65nm or 55nm.

In comparison, launches of from Intel and Nvidia have at least one component manufactured in 90nm or even 130nm. This is quite important in terms of both die size and the thermal characteristics.

AMD is chanting its "Customer Centric Innovation" mantra like there's no tomorrow, but in all sincerity, that mantra does not go hand in hand with the statements we've heard from some AMD executives.

Also, the fact that the company is publicly launching two SKUs, while there are three SKUs two PCIe 2.0, one AGP part. AMD is , skipping the on 3850 with 512MB and 3870 with 1GB of video memory. A price affordable Black Edition instead of Phenom FX would also be what customers want.

AMD Phenom is manufactured in 65nm process at Fab36 in Dresden, andthe main features are something that it calls “Native Quad-Core”, HyperTransport 3.0, and DDR2-1066 memory support. Quite frankly, we care only about the number of cores, not threads, n Windows Task Manager, but that's a marchitectural quibble.

AMD is relying on the fact that it is better to provide a memory controller that creates the possibility that a user gets 8GB of DDR2-1066 for the equal amount he would have to shell out for 2-3 GB of DDR3 memory. Of course, the biggest problem that AMD marketing dept has is showing its advantages to the general public, an area where this company failed miserably in the past.

On AMD's roadmaps, the 65nm Phenom series fits into the middle, with 45nm Phenoms coming in the middle of 2008, and a complete new core coming in 2009. This core will be an answer to Intel's Nehalem, but what AMD is not saying is what Fusion will be used for. If you think that it will be only Bulldozer cores plus some R7xx-based Radeon GPU, you're quite wrong. The Opterons will end up fused as well, the most interesting part will be bringing GPUs with HyperTransport 3.0 and beyond put into the chips themselves.

When it comes to the actual line-up, AMD is launching Phenom 9000 series with three models, 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 GHz. They all use HT 3.0 with a link speed of 3.6 GHz. It is quite interesting to see the “FSB” clock overtaking the actual physical clock of the CPU cores, but AMD has to pay the price for milking on 90nm process and shifting engineers from 65nm development onto a previous generation.

Phenom FX will be a single product at launch, but that will not happen on November 19th, but rather during December, as a sort of Yuletide present. Somehow, AMD needs to put a 3GHz part into this year, but if no volumes can be made, these guys are set for rough times. During the first quarter of next year - probably around CeBIT 2008, the Phenom 8000 series will appear. Phenom 8000 is nothing more but Tollman, a Tri-Core part, the Agena minus one core . So, if the 9000 series was known as Agena, Phenom FX-8x parts are known as Agena FX.

Phenom X2 has been canned, and the part will be known as the Athlon 6000 series.



Performance

When it comes to performance, AMD will allow hacks to tap into Phenoms for the very first time , so you will be able to see just how high can 3DMark06 score go in CrossFireX configurations.

AMD's slideware hides the actual performance numbers, but the lads put AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2 GHz) system as the 100%, baseline performance system. In further slideware, it was revealed that Overall Performance (Office Productivity + Digital Media + Gaming) will take Phenom 9700 5.4% faster than the 9500 (2.2 GHz), while competing Core 2 Quad Q6600 scores 2.5% more than 2.2 GHz. In Office Productivity itself, 9700 is 5.7%, while Q6600 is 3.2% faster. Digital Media puts Intel on top with 10.4% advantage over baseline mode, while clock-per-clock competitor was 8.5% faster than baseline. In gaming, 9700 system scores 2.2% faster results than baseline, while Q6600 is 3.6% slower than baseline.

Confused? We don't blame you. Real scores are ones that will matter, while these aggregated scores can be tweaked to show one or other side winning, depending are we seeing black slides with green chars, or blue slides with white characters. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/13/amd-phenom-9000-quad-core-8000
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Kill Me disse:
ehh, atao so daki a uns meses... se calhar ainda compro o 9500 sera que la para janeiro baixam de preço ou caraças?
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Vão ser substituidos pela revisão B3 chamando-se 9550.
Opta antes por estes. Ja estão Bug free e a capacidade de overclock deve ser muito superior.

O preço vai depender do que a Intel tiver na altura, mas deve ser um preço muito acessível.
 
Afinal ainda n estão bem mortos, estão-se é a aproximar cada vez mais dos Intel.

Phenom 9900 ES
Gamespot disse:
CPU Performance Tests

(Longer bars indicate better performance)

3DMark06, CPU Score

Intel Core 2 Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
4162

AMD Phenom 9900 @ 2.6GHz
3925

Intel Core 2 E6700 @ 2.66GHz
2349

AMD Phenom 9600 @ 2.3GHz
3474


3DMark06, 1280x1024

Intel Core 2 Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
12317

AMD Phenom 9900 @ 2.6GHz
12171

Intel Core 2 E6700 @ 2.66GHz
11030

AMD Phenom 9600 @ 2.3GHz
11247


Valve Particle Test

Intel Core 2 Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
86

AMD Phenom 9900 @ 2.6GHz
75

Intel Core 2 E6700 @ 2.66GHz
43

AMD Phenom 9600 @ 2.3GHz
67


Crysis CPU Test, 1024x768, Medium Quality

Intel Core 2 Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
75

AMD Phenom 9900 @ 2.6GHz
65

Intel Core 2 E6700 @ 2.66GHz
60

AMD Phenom 9600 @ 2.3GHz
60


Unreal Tournament 3, 1024x768, Maximum Quality

Intel Core 2 Q6700 @ 2.66GHz
140

AMD Phenom 9900 @ 2.6GHz
121

Intel Core 2 E6700 @ 2.66GHz
140

AMD Phenom 9600 @ 2.3GHz
114
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Com os aumentos do clock para perto dos 3Ghzs e a Rev B3 pode ser que estes "patinhos feios" ainda venham a surpreender.
Pelo menos no preço ja o fizeram... <350$:wow:
Pelo menos eu gosto de pensar que sim! :)
 
Bionicman disse:
Afinal ainda n estão bem mortos, estão-se é a aproximar cada vez mais dos Intel.

Phenom 9900 ES

Com os aumentos do clock para perto dos 3Ghzs e a Rev B3 pode ser que estes "patinhos feios" ainda venham a surpreender.
Pelo menos no preço ja o fizeram... <350€:wow:
Pelo menos eu gosto de pensar que sim! :)
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É normal que isso aconteça. O maior entrada dos Phenom so será com a revisão B3.
Têm é que tentar melhorar o TDP e o overclock.
 
DJ_PAPA disse:
O preço vai depender do que a Intel tiver na altura, mas deve ser um preço muito acessível.
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Parece que sim:


Phenom to have phenomenal price

A new strategy
As Intel's Penryn 45nm generation is something that is out of AMD's reach, AMD has decided to use a new strategy. It will dramatically adjust the prices of Phenoms and it plans to position them as price / performance parts.

Phenom will certainly have a phenomenal price as clock-to-clock and performance-wise it doesn’t look so bad compared to Intel. Another advantage that AMD has on its side is that AMD has 2.2, 2.3 and soon 2.4GHz and faster quad core chips, while Intel will only have 2.4 and 2.5GHz or faster, and this at a higher price.

AMD needs to get through 2008, but 2007 was certainly the worst year in the company's history.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4627&Itemid=35

Excelentes notícias:banana::banana:
 
SPEC invalida todos os resultados de sistemas com o AMD "Barcelona" (primo do Phenom para workstations, para quem não souber) por falta de disponibilidade real das CPU's no mercado.
O impacto que isto terá na imagem institucional da AMD numa das suas poucas cash cows restantes deve ser enorme...


Hardware SPEC Invalidates All "Barcelona" Benchmarks due to Availability


AMD's TLB bug may go down as one of the largest technical blunders of 2007



Last week DailyTech mentioned the shortage of AMD Barcelona processors in the channel. AMD's Phenom processor is also in shortage, but Barcelona's exit from the marketplace is more of a mysterious Houdini act than a drought.

SPEC confirmed this shortage today when it invalidated all AMD K10 benchmarks from its website. All AMD K10 benchmarks on the SPEC site have been replaced with the words "Not Available," and the description below:

SPEC has determined that this result was not in compliance with the SPEC CPU2006 run and reporting rules. Specifically, the submitter reported that the result would not meet the SPEC OSG requirements for continued availability.

SPEC's benchmarking scores are traditionally heralded as the "official" high-performance computing scores for industry analysts, universities and volume purchasers.

AMD's Scott Carroll elaborates. "As soon as we determined that we could only ship Quad-Core AMD Opteron processors earmarked for specific customer deals, we began the process of withdrawing our SPEC scores. As we get closer to the launch of the updated Quad-Core AMD Opteron processors in Q108, we will submit new scores."

DailyTech previously dubbed this refresh as the B3 Opteron stepping -- which was also confirmed by ZDNet's George Ou.

The specific deals Carroll describes are the result of a race condition in the K10 architecture. Without a motherboard BIOS patch, Barcelona Opteron and Phenom processors are susceptible to lock-ups during nested memory operations; a scenario frequently found in virtualized workspaces.

DailyTech was able to confirm that all Barcelona chips have been removed from retail sources. Any Barcelona sold in volume must pass AMD's screening in advance.
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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10030
 
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Bionicman disse:
Afinal ainda n estão bem mortos, estão-se é a aproximar cada vez mais dos Intel.

Phenom 9900 ES



Pelo menos no preço ja o fizeram... <350$:wow:
Pelo menos eu gosto de pensar que sim! :)
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Não percebo porque dizes que se aproximam..Estão a comparar com o Q6700, para o qual perde.. E que custa o mesmo e já saiu à algum tempo..
Estão para sair em janeiro os novos Q9xxx .. Não é caro, mas este 9900 ES vai estar num segmento de preço que.. não dúvido que o Q9xxx da intel no mesmo price target vai ser muito mais capaz em default e.. fazer mt mais Oc..

E para aproximarem-se.. tinham de mostrar-se capazes de fazer parecido com o QX9775 no segmento de topo.. :D
 
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