Quais as diferenças?
FIC AN11
http://www.fica.com/Upload/Content/Products/P240000049/au11_highquality.jpg

EPOX 8RDA+

A pilha da BIOS está mais perto dos slots PCI na de baixo :D

2 Jumpers, alguns condensadores, o layout ligeiramente diferente. (na zona da pilha da Bios)

Mas no fundo parece q ambas seguiram ah risca a referencia da Nvidia.

P.S. - reparei agora nalguns integrados e transistores diferentes na zona dos slots de memoria, pa n falar naqueles 2 "donuts" a mais na Fic.

poucas no design, talvez muitas na qualidade dos componentes.

e em relação a esta EPOX 8RDA+?

Can anyone spot the diference?
http://img.neoseeker.com/a/epox8k9a2+/DSCF0005_lg.jpg

Eu! os Leds de diagnostico, ventoinha no northbrige, o autocolante no southbrige, e pouco mais! :P

Estes ultimos exemplos sao identicos. Tanto o do Raptor como o do pnabais.

E já agora, porque é que a minha primeira imagem de uma epox 8RDA+ é diferente?
Há mais do que uma versão?

Tirei de:
http://www.epox.nl/images/motherboard/high-res/EP-8rda%2B.zip
(AVISO: são 4 MEGAS de imagem!)

ambas funcionam com ambas as bios :)

segundo dizem as 2 sao feitas pela Epox :)

e a fic é mais barata :)

Skatan,

Queres dizer q se pode utilizar bios EPOX e a board FIC funciona a mesma a 100%?

Isso era bom demais. :)

Se a diferença for só um autocolante.... ;)

Entre a A7V e A7V133 também se podiam trocar BIOS à vontade e nesse caso ainda havia a diferença de chipsets (KT133 vs. KT133A).

Que tal um sistema unified BIOS? :D

Assim já não havia enganos hehe.

Ainda me lembro quando tive a K7S5A, visitava o forúm da OCWorkbench só para saber as últimas novidades da board, e uma dessas novidades era de utilizar também uma BIOS de uma board praticamente igual a K7S5A... era uma board da PC Chips, mas já não me lembro do modelo. :)

Originally posted by The_Z
Skatan,

Queres dizer q se pode utilizar bios EPOX e a board FIC funciona a mesma a 100%?

Isso era bom demais. :)

acho que fui explicito :)


um gajo (Pilsy) já testou a bios da 8rda+ na FIC e tudo ok

SKATAN,

Não é esse que diz que a board dele tinha a particularidade de ter um autocolante que dizia "EPOX 8RDA+" por cima de uma impressão na board que dizia FIC AN19E?

Fic AN11

Yup - the bios is the same. As in EXACTLY the same. I just flashed to the AU-11 bios. Its the same as the original Epox bios (211fsb limit version). The only thing thats different is it lists the board as the FIC AU-11 now on post rather than the Epox gubbins.

Niko - your comparison is flawed. Nvidia offer a reference design, and companies then rebuild this using different components etc. Infact ATI actually FORCE a reference design to maintain quality control. Now, when you look at the FIC and Epox boards they are the SAME. No difference in components or PCB. Identical. Neither board is reference design. This eliminates it as simply being the nvidia reference design. Theres no two ways about it, the 8RDA+ is a re-branded FIC board. I am not given to being ripped off, and paying £21 (thats $35US) for a sticker with an epox model number on is NOT ON. The extras with the mobos are identical as well. Check the spec on the FIC site. Infact theyre identical right down to the software on the cd. You get 1 SATA cable, 1 fly off for firewire, 1 fly off for usb, 1 for a game port, 2 IDE cables and 1 fdd cable.

The differences in PCB (ie the extra caps) on the pic ive linked to above are because that is a version 0.1 board (ie prototype pre production) and not the finished article. The article linked to from the AOA thread has a pic of the final release board and it is a v1.1 and has identical layout of components to my current board (no surprise seeing as my board has AU-11 under the 8RDA+ label).

What gets my goat here is that ive paid a noticeable amount of money extra to simply have Epox on the box. I dont consider their company name on a box worth even 1 penny, let alone £21.

Just to proove my Epox experience, my 4PEA+ is now broken too. One of the hoops that holds the chipset fan on came out of the board due to a dry solder joint. This means every "made by epox" board ive owned has now developed some sort of catastrophic failure within a fortnight of purchase. The board is totally unmodded, so nothing I have done can possibly be at fault. Simple fact that Epox QC sucks. FYI I have now owned a total of 17 Epox boards, only one of which is still working. And its now questionable that its even an Epox board (you guessed it its the 8RDA+/AU-11).

PiLsY.



o gajo diz que a 8rda é tão fixe que nã deve ter sido feita pela Epox :-D


A source form EPoX on that issue:

" - Off the record - yes, we make those boards, 8RDA/+..... and 8K9A2+, they got that KT400 as well....
- Well I heard that maybe FIC makes those boards and print them and then you put your sticker on the board?
- HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, I fell of the chair!!!!!! We also print the boards for them.
- OK, thank you "




I now know for CERTAIN where the boards are made. No doubt it if I posted it on AOA id get accused of lying, or get told I was wrong, so i'll post it on here instead. Why Epox are trying so desperately to mislead people I dont know. Probably some PR thing, as I could see how what I know could hit their sales quite hard. The tour of the "manufacturing facility" on VR-Zone should give those who think about it a bit of a hint in this. Anyone with any brains at all will see that that facility is not even vaguely big enough to cope with the amount of boards that Epox now sell (not only to people, but for re-branding as well).

Knowing what I now do I will also be buying Epox (or FIC, hell any rebranded board identical to the Epox design, if i can find them cheaper) boards without fear of the quality control issues that have plagued Epox for so long. To be fair that was basically because of the accelerated learning process Epox had to go through. They were a tiny company not too long ago - its only since the 8KTA and more so the 8K7A that theyve grown to one of the big names in the computer industry. Their sales have something like quadrupled in the last 2 years (probably more tbh). Where would all those extra boards come from? They certainly cant magic them out of thin air.

Nvidia are quite demanding when it comes to where their chipset powered boards are made.

And now for the big revelation. This is again straight from the horses mouth at Epox Taiwan, who have been a LOT more forthcoming than Epox UK/Europe (Holst). They dont seem to think its a big secret to be guarded and lied about - why do you?

Epox only makes its initial test run of a board to guage function and popularity. I the board is all working nicely with no issues that need correcting it stays in production. However, Epox only have the ability to produce one board at any one time, they cannot produce multiple boards. The older model boards still in production are usually oursourced to be made elsewhere (FIC most recently).

However, with the outstanding popularity of the 8RDA+ Epox hit a problem. They could not supply deman by building the 8RDA+ at thier own facility, so had to outsource it. With this change came a change in revision. Rev 1.1 boards are all built by FIC. Now no doubt Holst will come on here arguing - i'll just be ignoring him. Infact I doubt if he even works for Epox, as quite frankly outright lying has always been frowned on by companies. Economy with the truth is common, but barefaced deception like Holst has shown is most certainly not the way things are done.

Now in that case whats going on at Epoxs manufacturing facility? Well, the 4PEA/GEA series are being made there. And shock horror these are still on rev 1.0. The revision change always happens after they are sourced out. It is Epox's way of tracking where the boards came from basically. Quite often people get asked what revision their board is by tech support. My guess is its easier than asking them for the full serial code so offers a simple method of finding the boards origins, be it Epox or FIC in this case. When I sent my initial question to Epox Taiwan I was asked what revision my board was. I was then reassured that despite the silkscreen printing, my board was the same as all the others as EVERY rev 1.1 board is produced by FIC. Labelling will change depending on demand for different companies at the time (indicating they outsource boards for rebranding, as weve already spotted, to many other companies too).

Now my guess on why this is more profitable. Epox have given the design to FIC and allowed them to rebrand the board. This is in exchange for fulfilling Epoxs manufacturing demands. Im sure that is just the simple version, and the agreement is actually a lot messier than that, but thats really all we need to know.

To put the ghosts to rest Prometheus flashed the Epox bios onto his FIC board, and now has a full 8RDA+ with 250 fsb in bios. No more arguements that they are different boards please.

PiLsY.

A verdade EVERY rev 1.1 board is produced by FIC

afinal tinha razão :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

apesar de serem feitas na fiC o "desenho" e bios é 100% Epox

por isso ja sabem se virem Fic AN11 e quiserem uma nforce2 , go get them boys :)

SKATAN,

Bem, eu por mim ainda não encerrava a novela sem ver mais uns episodios ... :)

Tive a dar uma vista de olhos nas reviews das boards de referencia, e realmente não são iguais (imagem do fim). É mesmo muito diferente ...
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=429&page=3

Isto realmente cheira a negociata.

A hipotese avançada no teu post parece-me possivel, o que não quer dizer que seja a verdadeira.

As imagens que eu coloquei são parecidas, mas não são iguais. Na primeira o CMOS é diferente, na segunda os condensadores "de entrada" da tensão são diferentes.

E quanto à Bios da Epox funcionar na Fic, isso não prova que os componentes (como por exemplo os condensadores) são exactamente iguais, e isso pode fazer a diferença.

http://home.arcor.de/ivo.draschkow/8NAX+.jpg

mais um clone de marca enmic :)



Lê bold que meti agora no post anterior ;)

Alguem sabe quanto custa a AN11 e se é possivel de adquirir cá em pt?

Vou comprar uma Enmic! :D

akela cena k diz Epox 8RDA+ ... (podem.se rir mas até agora ninguem disse é a mais obvia) lolololoolllloolololololoolololol